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There's been a bunch of fuss recently in the writerly corners of the internet that I occasionally poke my nose into about "gritty fantasy" and "grimdark" (which I'd parse as "horrible dismal worldview" and generally attempt to avoid like cholera, because really, life's too short for unalleviated misery*) and whether they're more "realistic" or inherently worthy by virtue of their (very specific & usually anti-female sorts of) awfulness. The part of the argument I've seen is mostly the people I more or less agree with, and most of the obvious things ("all rape all the time" isn't necessarily historically accurate, and if it were it would apply to guys as well; predictable misery is as shallow as predictable sweetness & light, etc) have been covered.

The thing that bothers me that I haven't seen addressed is that some people's actual reality is grimmer and grittier than other people's. We all have to deal with a certain level of basic biology and things (dirty diapers...) and bad stuff happens all the time, but it is the nature of random distributions that the shares of joy and misery will be disproportionate. We've got a pretty good statistical sampling in this household.

The Megatherium (at a whole 33 days of age) has endured no trauma greater than being born, or having a heel stick at the doctor's office, and I guarantee that at the moment as she coos and looks about the room next to me she remembers neither of these things.

I've been through my share of misery, but it was mostly emotional things brought upon myself (career indecisiveness, and depressive tendencies coupled with a string of poor relationship choices of the sort that mostly involve incompatibility and heartache rather than anyone actually being unkind.) Aside from the slowly increasing number of intermittent headache/migraine triggers I'm baseline healthy, no broken bones, and just had my first set of stitches from the stupid episiotomy. I've never lacked food or shelter or potable water except in the most short-term sense, and furthermore always had at least a little discretionary income.

Grauwulf, who pulled himself up by his proverbial bootstraps, has had enough grit for all three of us: childhood peppered with uncertainty, accident & death; smashed bones from a nasty car accident; jinxed luck dealing with administrative nonsense that leads to things like the year of Verizon setting collection agencies on him for a bill they couldn't identify on an account that he paid in full and closed six months previously. (On the upside, he's also got the kind of immune system you get from surviving childhood in places that can't be sanitized.)

Oh, and the earliest thing we know about the cat is his wandering the streets of Baltimore with a nasty leg injury, though based on his attitude towards people we're pretty sure he's been happy & well cared for both before and since.

I fully admit that (besides the ongoing thing with my father) I'm a bit of a spoiled brat. But that doesn't make my life any less "real" than grauwulf's or anyone else's, and either of us could easily pick bits of our lives that make up a decent story. My experiences would not be made any more real by the addition of the sort of things that produce screaming nightmares, so arguing that this is required to add realism to fiction seems a bit, well, unrealistic.

*If you happen to *like* unalleviated misery for some reason (either reading or writing) I don't mean to discourage you. But there are a number of things I've crossed off my personal list based on years of always regretting having read them, from Garfield comic strips to Russian literature.

Date: 2013-03-27 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] l. blankenship (from livejournal.com)
Ultimately, it's the unrelenting death and lack of hope that has put me off Game of Thrones. Much as I like Tyrion, and as obvious as it is that Jon and Dany are the OTP because they're the only spots of light left... it does get monotonus.

If I wanted unrelenting death and grimness, I could just watch the news. There must be some balance of dark with hope that gritty fantasy can reach.

Date: 2013-03-27 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thanate.livejournal.com
Yeah; I never got as far as starting Game of Thrones-- I went off the ridiculously long epic fantasy series half-way through Wheel of Time, which rather than killing everyone off just made everyone less and less likeable. And none of what I've been hearing about it inspires me to try it.

[livejournal.com profile] swan_tower had some good thoughts on grit that's not just grimdark yesterday-- and as [livejournal.com profile] alecaustin points out in the comments, the difference between, say, Martin and Bujold is the range of emotional content covered.

Date: 2013-03-28 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinglights.livejournal.com
Sometimes I wish lj had a lazy "like" button for the things I appreciate and agree with so vehemently words fail me. I would have responded far more quickly if it did.

I am in many ways a classic American bootstrap story,myself, which sadly don't actually happen all that often. I can accept and appreciate gritty unpleasant things in my media. But I am just altogether done with unnecessary hopelessness.

Date: 2013-04-02 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thanate.livejournal.com
Yeah, there are far too many things I don't ever comment on because most of what I have to say is, "yes, I agree," or similar.

I forget where it was now, but someone had a rather interesting theory that the extreme of unpleasant & hopeless gets the artistic merit reputation by way of being anti-Bowdler. As in, if things that are stripped of sex & violence are suitable for kids (and/or women) then the polar opposite must be masculine & worthy.

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